« Strange New Evidence That Universe is Finite | Main | Aliens in Gemini? »

October 09, 2003

Comments

Jason Hoobler

I agree with the first comment, but I think it's logically stuck in phrasing.. doubt it's a "non-affirming negation", but rather an "affirming non-negation"; the point here is to understand the inherent limits by which reality is present to us, and we do this by experiencing the flow of dualities (subject-object, etc.) as an outcome of "hidden factor" frameworks which exist outside the ability of dual expression since they participate in the creation of both sides -- a unitary view which is a logical artifact of the framework's quality of incoherence with respect to a complete summation of reality.

Darren

I knew you'd catch me on that! haha...but your absolutely right.

Anyways, I like your page and you write amazing, thanks for responding to my inquiry

Nova Spivack

Darren your point is well taken. In fact, in Buddhist philosophy at least, one would actually conclude that whatever is posited by the mind is just a conceptual fabrication. My assertion that "something deeper than duality must exist in order to bind the poles of the duality together" should not be taken to imply that the non-dualistic fundamental reality "truly exists" but rather that it "logically and conceptually must exist" as you point out. Therefore you could say that the deeper non-duality that I am positing is also just a projection of the mind and is no more fundamental than the dualistic level of reality I am refuting. Or alternatively, you could conclude that perhaps the universe is irrational, or at least not bound by logical necessity, and that therefore there is no reason why a duality cannot persist without an underlying duality to bind its poles together. In the first case, it would be correct to refute my assertion of an underlying reality as no more fundamental than the dualistic level in that it amounted to an "affirming negation" (a negation that affirms something in the place of what is being negated). In fact, a more precise and correct way to state my position might be in the form of a non-affirming negation -- a refutation of the duality without an affirmation of anything existing beneath it. On the other hand, that is really more of a semantic distinction because the non-affirming negation approach does not result in a mere nothingness, but rather it results in the realization of "emptiness" which is not existent nor is it non-existent. That emptiness -- whether you affirm it or not -- is what I am pointing out to be the deeper underlying reality that binds duality together. Now, regarding the second option which is to abandon logic altogether on the grounds that it is merely a conceptual process -- If you hold that position then I can use your same argument to question the basis of your own argument -- isn't your argument simply a logical construct based on a logical process of your conceptual mind? Thus if you hold such a position you are actually refuting your own holding to that position and therefore that logical position leads to a self-contradiction. If you posit that "absurdity" or "nihilism" are valid philosophical positions to hold, you must realize that to hold such positions is just another act of clinging to a belief yet those positions, if you hold them sincerely, destroy any basis for clinging to any belief, and therefore if you hold such positions you are actually contradicting the meaning of those philosophical positions. In other words, if you don't support logic as a valid way of understanding reality, then your very act of not supporting logic as a valid way of understanding reality must ultimately be abandoned by you because to assert that position you are actually using logic.

Darren

When you speak about the unfathomable layer that exists as a foundation of the assumed dualistic reality:

"One way to establish this is to simply point out that if we assume that the world is divided dualistically into inside and outside, self and other, etc. then it actually leads to the conclusion that there must be a deeper level of reality that is non-dualistic -- After all, what is the underlying reality that connects the so-called inside and outside, self and other? There has to be something deeper than those divisions in which they occur together -- there has to be a deeper level of reality that connects these different partitions of reality together into one "whole" reality."

"The problem is that reality in-itself isn't really structured dualistically -- all such divisions into internal and external are merely conceptual reference frames that we project onto it"

When you say that there "has" to exist something that underlies the dualistic reality, isn't the "something that has to exist" also a fabrication of our conceptual mind? In that, logically speaking it is logically correct for the human mind to assume that in order for the dualism to exist, there has to be something deeper and underlying it?

Or do I misunderstand you?

The comments to this entry are closed.

My Photo

Twine | Nova Spivack - My Public Twine items

Radar Networks

  • twine.jpg
  • logo_v5_03b.jpg
  • logo_v5_03b.jpg

Nova's Trip to Edge of Space

  • Stepsedgestratosphere
    In 1999 I flew to the edge of space with the Russian air force, with Space Adventures. I made it to an altitude of just under 100,000 feet and flew at Mach 3 in a Mig-25 piloted by one of Russia's best test-pilots. These pics were taken by Space Adventures from similar flights to mine. I didn't take digital stills -- I got the whole flight on digital video, which was featured on the Discovery Channel.

Nova & Friends, Training For Space...

  • Img021
    In 1999 I was invited to Russia as a guest of the Russian Space Agency to participate in zero-gravity training on an Ilyushin-76 parabolic flight training aircraft. It was really fun!!!! Among other people on that adventure were Peter Diamandis (founder of the X-Prize and Zero-G Corporation), Bijal Trivedi (a good friend of mine, science journalist), and "Lord British" (creator of the Ultima games). Here are some pictures from that trip...

People I Like

  • Peter F. Drucker
    Peter F. Drucker was my grandfather. He was one of my principal teachers and inspirations all my life. My many talks with him really got me interested in organizations and society. He had one of the most impressive minds I've ever encountered. He died in 2005 at age 95. Here is what I wrote about his death. His foundation is at http://www.pfdf.org/
  • Mayer Spivack
    Mayer Spivack is my father; he's a brilliant inventor, cognitive scientist, sculptor, designer and therapist. He also builds carbon fiber trimarans in his spare time, and studies animal intelligence. He is working on several theories related to the origins of violence and ways to prevent it, new treatments for learning disabilities, and new theories of cognition. He doesn't have a Web site yet, but I'm working on him...
  • Marin Spivack
    Marin Spivack is my brother. He is the one of the only western 20th generation lineage holders of the original Chen Family Tai Chi tradition in China. He's been practicing Tai Chi for about 6 to 10 hours a day for the last 10 years and is now one of the best and most qualified Tai Chi teachers in America. He just returned from 3 years in China studying privately with a direct descendant of the original Chen family that created Tai Chi. The styles that he teaches are mainly secret and are not known or taught in the USA. One thing is for sure, this is not your grandmother's Tai Chi: This is serious combat Tai Chi -- the original, authentic Tai Chi, not the "new age" form that is taught in the USA -- it's intense, physically-demanding, fast, powerful and extremely deadly. If you are serious about Tai Chi and want to learn the authentic style and applications, the way it was meant to be, you should study with my brother. He's located in Boston these days but also travels when invited to teach master classes.
  • Louise Freedman
    Louise specializes in art-restoration. She does really big projects like The Museum of Fine Arts in Boston, The Gardner Museum and Harvard University. She's also a psychotherapist and she's married to my dad. She likes really smart parrots and she knows how to navigate a large sailboat.
  • Kris Thorisson
    Kris has been working with me for years on the design of the Radar Networks software, a new platform for the Semantic Web. He has a PhD from the MIT Media Lab. He designs intelligent humanoids and virtual realities. He is from Iceland, which makes him pretty cool.
  • Kimberly Rubin
    Kim is my girlfriend and partner, and also a producer of 11 TV movies, and now an entrepreneur in the pet industry. She is passionate about animals. She has unusual compassion and a great sense of humor.
  • Kathleen Spivack
    Kathleen Spivack is my mother. She's a poet, novelist and creative writing teacher. She was a personal student of Robert Lowell and was in the same group of poets with Silvia Plath, Elizabeth Bishop and Anne Sexton. She coaches novelists, playwrites and poets in France and the USA. She teaches privately and her students, as well as being published, have won many of the top writing prizes.
  • Josh Kirschenbaum
    Josh is a visual effects whiz, director and generalist hacker in LA. We have been pals and collaborators since the 1980's. Josh is probably going to be the next Jim Cameron. He's also a really good writer.
  • Joey Tamer
    Joey is a long-time friend and advisor. She is an expert on high-tech strategic planning.
  • Jim Wissner
    Jim is among the most talented software developers I've ever worked with. He's a prolific Java coder and an expert on XML. He's the lead engineer for Radar Networks.
  • Jerry Michalski
    I have been friends with Jerry for many years; he's been advising Radar Networks on social software technology.
  • Chris Jones
    Chris is a long-time friend and now works with me in Radar Networks, as our director of user-experience. He's a genius level product designer, GUI designer, and product manager.
  • Bram Boroson
    Bram is an astrophysicist and college pal of mine. We spend hours and hours brainstorming about cellular automata simulations of the universe. He's one of the smartest people I ever met.
  • Bari Koral
    Bari Koral is a really talented singer songwriter. We co-write songs together sometimes. She's getting some buzz these days -- she recently opened for India Arie. She worked at EarthWeb many years ago. Now she tours almost all year long and she just had a hit in Europe. Check out her video, on her site.
  • Adam Cohen
    Adam Cohen is a long-term friend; we were roommates in college. He is a really talented composer and film-scorer. He doesn't have a Web site but I like him anyway! He's in Hollywood living the dream.
Blog powered by Typepad
Member since 08/2003