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I'd agree with Matt. It's not a revolution but a successive progress = evolution.

Marguerite Ardito

I agree - metaweb is the perfect name. I remember 10 years ago if you used the term metadata, peoples' (especially managers') eyes glazed over and they tuned you out. It wasn't until customers starting using the term that it got management attention and respect. They are finally starting to realize that metadata is what enables (empowers, even) data to be usable, reusable and automatable. It will be the same with the metaweb. Get the US government to buy in to the term (e.g. through eGov initiatives) and it will rapidly become part of the language.

Marguerite Ardito

I agree - metaweb is the perfect name. I remember 10 years ago if you used the term metadata, peoples' (especially managers') eyes glazed over and they tuned you out. It wasn't until customers starting using the term that it got management attention and respect. They are finally starting to realize that metadata is what enables (empowers, even) data to be usable, reusable and automatable. It will be the same with the metaweb. Get the US government to buy in to the term (e.g. through eGov initiatives) and it will rapidly become part of the language.

Matt

I think Nova we will have to agree-to-disagree.

You use of the term 'consumer' gives it away. 'Metaweb' is a groovy brand name to appropriate a bunch of stuff and give it a handle to market it. Shrinkwrapping, no?

You refer to the "upcoming Semantic Web" as it was a product going to appear on our shelves "in Q2 or real soon now".

IMHO, like I said it's just the web: evolving, realising new and divergent channels, applications and user-experiences.

If I understood you motives perhaps for making this evolution concrete I would better understand. Is it for educating the market?

Nova Spivack

Well Matt I disagree -- I think naming an evolution helps to make it concrete. In fact the Metaweb is not just "The Web" because the Web is not made up of discrete chunks of metadata that describe individual ideas. That's what RSS and Atom and the upcoming Semantic Web is focused on. But I don't think those terms are consumer-friendly enough. Metaweb is better.

Matt

I think "the web" will do just fine. All of the stuff you are describing are evolving things that ulitmately enrich the meaning and utility that 'real people' can extract from the web.

"Naming a thing to create it" is about having a control-point, a handle on something discrete - either to spread the word about it, or draw boundaries around it to exploit it.

As you say yourself, it's not new or discrete, it's an evolution - not a revolution. It's the web.

Jessica Lipnack

I agree, Nova. I remember your ranting and raving 10 years ago around our kitchen about the web. RSS (as representative of a class of technologies that let's us launch tiny fractals into miraculous combinations) is a breakthrough the way the web was. But I ain't so sure the word Metaweb will stick. People know what webs are, which is one reason that word made it, but what is a meta? Not familiar in common parlance.

Richard Soderberg

I think I like Metaweb. It fits in with the "semantic breakfast" discussion at ETcon quite nicely. Thanks for coining it; all shall be attributed to you.

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