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Comments

luggage

Wow, this sounds like a very interesting experiment. I think more research and studies need to be done to see just how useful and how effective viral content is. How does one create it? It’s so hard to tell what’s going to become a huge viral hit and what’s not, and I’m not sure if there’s any way to tell. I am interested in knowing which of your Meme’s did better. I have a feeling that it was the one embedded in the humorous article. While one would think that the second, the survey that offered a benefit to the participant, would be the most popular, I’m not so sure. You see so many viral stories passed around on the web (aka chain letters), that I think a humorous story is just as likely, if not more so, to attract readers and participants.

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Nova Spivack

Here is a nice visualization of the Meme spread dataset -- http://blog.outer-court.com/archive/2004_08_05_index.html#109172501214132452

Thanks Philipp!

Nova Spivack

That's because Google can take weeks to months to index new content!

SB

Well, maybe I'm doing this wrong -- but when I do a Google search with the shorter string, it does NOT find everything.

Nova Spivack

The long GUID was just stupid, there's no good reason for it -- we just picked a long random number, without really thinking too much about the pros and cons of the length. Hey it was the weekend and I was just fooling around! I'm very sorry! Anyway, the main goal was to make sure it would always be unique, so the longer the better. Anyway the feedback we got was that formatting in narrow blog layouts is more important than ultimate uniqueness! As for your second question -- sites that just post the GUID will simply be ignored in the results. The results will most likely be tabulated by automated bots (if there are lots of results) and they will do this by scraping the web pages that contain the GUID (or in fact any matching, unique string from the content of the Meme) and then looking for the survey fields and mining their content into a database. If the survey fields aren't there -- those sites will just be ignored in the data. So they won't skew the results.

Steph-the-swiss-blogger

What was the point of having such a long GUID?

Also, how about people who do not replicate the post, but just mention the meme and GUID, like here:

http://mediatic.blogspot.com/2004/08/etude-dun-meme-study-of-meme.html

Won't this also skew the results? The GUID is there, but none of the statistical info.

Nova Spivack

Hey everyone, check out the new meme! It's a new, improved, second-generation meme that rewards blogs for participation. Did you notice how the first meme got my blog into the 5th position in the Daypop Top 40 list? Well, now you can do the same thing -- in fact, we all can. Let's try it and see if it works. See the new meme at http://novaspivack.typepad.com/nova_spivacks_weblog/2004/08/a_new_meme_that.html

Cathy

Just let you know I post it in my Xanga account. Maybe we will get lucky and it spread throught there.

steve

Ok... I shoulda read it first, sorry I didn't notice. :)

Also, the permalink in the original message ( http://novaspivack.typepad.com/nova_spivacks_weblog/2004/08/a_sonar_ping_of.html ) also affects some blogs' formatting. (80 characters).

Nova Spivack

I've added a "short version" of the GUID to the original post, so you can replace the longer version of the GUID in your posts if you want, if that improves your formatting. See the original post for the revised text.

Nova Spivack

you can cut the GUID in half if you need to. We can still search for the first half, which itself should be unique.

Steve

I initially posted the item in my personal blog, but removed it soon after when I realized that it messed up my layout because of the length of the GUID.

Steph-the-swiss-blogger

Well, I'm spreading this meme, but I don't usually spread memes -- isn't this kind of behaviour going to skew results? I usually don't find memes interesting, so I don't follow up. This one, however, caught my interest.

What could be interesting (but less easy to analyze) is to add IDs to "normal memes".

Nova Spivack

GUID -- so I just saw that Google *is* indexing the full GUID! So I've reinstated it. Do a search, you will see 1 site has been indexed for it so far. Others will follow.

Stephen Downes

I will not be posting this item in either of my blogs (NewsTrolls http://www.newstrolls.com and OLDaily http://www.downes.ca/news/OLDaily.htm ) because the length and the format of the posting required go completely against the format of these blogs.

This is therefore not an experiment in meme propogation but in meme replication, and as such, is as dependent on the nature of the meme as it is the nature of the blogosphere. Maybe more so.

As for hitting the top of Daypop (or Blogdex, where I found it), I have serious reservations about the integrity of those indices, as items that I know have been posted in more locations than are currently in their list do not show up in their top 40 (or 100, or whatever). many - probably most - sites are omitted from these calculations, and the usual 'A List' blogs are disproportionately represented.

Adam Kalsey

The problem with shortening the GUID is that Google doesn't search substrings. So if someone searches for the shortened GUID, they won't find pages containing the longer GUID.

Nova Spivack

Hi Susanna, your point is interesting. Actually this test is a precursor to some new technologies we are experimenting with related to the semantic web. I think in the future we will be able to do exactly what you suggest -- there will be ways to use this concept that integrate more seamlessly with the actual content of a blog. More on this later...

Nova

Susanna

The results of this could be interesting, but it seems to me that the method of the experiment could limit it to blogs which blog about blogging. For example, a blog about antique cars or water polo or Illinois politics might hesitate to confuse readers with a random post listing this information.

However, this post did make the Daypop Top 40, so clearly there are enough blogs out there meta enough to give this thing legs. I just wonder if there's another method of meme propagation that's subtler and wouldn't interfere with a blog's daily operations.

Nova Spivack

It will probably be a few days before Google indexes everyone, at the very least.

Also, I noticed that Technorati doesn't seem to return results for the GUID yet -- which is strange, because I *know* they index my blog and many others more frequently. So it could be a bug in Technorati actually -- I sent email to Dave about it.

Peter

Just added to my blog too (UK). I don't see any results on Google, but I guess that will take some propogation time too.

B.K. DeLong

Hmmmm. Searching using the GUID on either Technorati or Google gave no results.

Nova Spivack

If enough sites participate in this experiment, I will be offering a cash prize for the best visualization of the data-set. Let's see if enough sites participate to make the data-set rich enough to be interesting.

Nova

Nova Spivack

I shortened the GUID, but the shorter version is a subset of the longer one, so it will still work. I shortened it for better formatting on some blogs.

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