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July 03, 2007

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Shannon Holman

How will the Seamntic Web address the fact that people lie?

Gianluca Angelici

I really agree about connections between ontologies. But it needs standardization of classes and properties described in owl. I could model the relationship "to work" in different ways: "work_at", "employee of", "developer at" or "consultant_at" etc.
And it shoul be indipendent from language. I'm Italian, and I could call this relationship in my language "lavora a".
So it should need an integration work that isn't so nice :-)
If we want a connected semantic web, we should create standard classes a props in owl (eg. like hcard in microformats). Something to extend where you need, but the least common multiple for everyone.
What do you think about it?

Vera Bass

Excellent post.

Here's my input. The form of connection that I'm not seeing represented is that between people, not as individuals who network or have 'friends', but as both members of communities and participants of one type or another.

All the data on the web comes from people. If I'm searching for and accessing that data via a semantic facility, then I would think that my search results would be greatly enhanced by knowing more than only whether that data came from an individual (as opposed to an institution, private firm, etc.).

I haven't thought about how such information could be incorporated into a semantic relationship between packets structure, but do know that people contributing information are usually happy to identify their level of knowledge, expertise, interest and involvement, which self-identification options can be offered them in a variety of formats and situations.

Vera

Ina

What about intuitive connections with people Nova, especially regarding the Social Web? Surely this is a form of intelligence, that often goes unquantified and gets dismissed all too easily.

Ina

Richard Kilmer

Regarding links: back about 12 years ago we built a software framework in the (then new) Java language named "Roku". Our ontology in Roku (Japanese for 'six') broke everything into one of six categories (Who, What, When, Where, Why and How).

In that implementation of our model we had semantic links between these granular objects (with meaning expressed in both directions). It was fully integrated with desktop applications (and Internet data) and broke up structured data into webs of semantically related objects.

One of the major issues we had was viewing these links between objects as individual entities in themselves. What we observed (in practice) was that links between objects happen in larger patterns (sets of links). We have since moved to patterns to hold the relationships between objects. Those patterns are classes in their own right and other objects only relate to the patterns. Our 'context engine' is the core of a project we are working on named indi. We pretty much hide all the semantics inside the platform, but folks will be able to feel it as they use it (oh, and we moved to Ruby in 2001).

I have really enjoyed your posts on this semantic web stuff. You have done a great job in explaining what can be a very arcane area. I look forward to checking out Radar when it launches.

hjalli

You asked for other kinds of connections.

You've certainly covered all possible connections between people, information and applications, but what about other entities?

One that comes to mind is companies: What about links between companies, between people and companies, and companies and information?

That could be expanded to mean "group", as more informal groups than companies have the same kind of connections (and are sometimes better defined in today's web environment). Companies however have a certain status in the world - such as the right to own things (e.g. information) - which might set them apart.

Then again "a company" or "a group" are maybe not well defined as "objects" on the web today - and therefore wrong to say that these are connections currently found there?

Kimitri

Hi!

Good points! One connection what I thing is coming important are location connections.

- Lets make Web more intelligent!

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