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October 05, 2007

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Joseph Pally

The seamless web where data, functions and applications blend on the web is already on. Aspects of Web 3.0 has started.

One needs to recognize Nova's vision and inutition in drawing attention to Web 3.0.

More interesting information is at http://web3next.blogspot.com/

Thanks, Nova. Please keep up the good work.

Fred

Hi again,


I forgot to say: if the Web changed the way people were doing business; I have the feeling that the Data Web will completely morph businesses and the way they interact with their environment (other businesses; society; etc;)... should probably talk about their World environment.

Take care,

Fred

Fred

Just some thoughts while reading Tim's comment.

First, I will restrict my comment to the Data Web.

To have the Data Web, one need to have access to resource descriptions directly on the Web. So there is a notion of data sharing and data accessibility (on the Web).

Since decades people try to represent knowledge using proprietary and non-proprietary "languages". What is different with the Data Web is the data is shared and accessible on the Web. The Data is Linked (in fact, resources are linked). And this linkage and resource descriptions create a meta-graph of relationships; some king of meta-network; and all this accessible on the Web, like any web page.

So, what google do is not different of what other companies have done decades ago. Freebase is, a priory, not accessible on the Data Web (but it is via data conversation from other services). They planned to link their metaweb in the Data Web; should check with them where is their plan now.

So, the Data Web is basically three things: (1) data written in a language (rdf) according to some vocabularies (ontologies) (2) this data is shared and accessible on the Web (like any web page).

But we should take care: here we are talking about the Data Web, or the Semantic Data Web. Anyway, what happens if the data is not accessible on the Web? But accessible on another network using other accessibility protocols? It is probably where the semantic web takes its deepness.

See it as an easy way to exchange, convert and integrate data. Nothing else. After more than one decade, we finally got the technologies to make it happens.

Take care,


Fred

Nicolas Cynober

Interesting story, interesting misunderstood also. The web is becoming a real science (http://webscience.org) and it's not easy to understand the power of the SW and how it could be the base of any web3.0 application. The Semantic Web is not some new simple HTML tags; you can't learn it in one week.

Few days ago I tried to explain on techcrunch.fr that microformats are not the future (explaining why the semantic web and RDFa are better) and Ouriel Ohayon wasn't able to understand my purpose (I guess he didn't even know what was a triple).

Anyway I don't understand why people leading web2.0 medias (as Tim O'Reilly or Ouriel Ohayon) don't study the work of the W3C and emerging web technologies (instead of dreaming of 3D application, 0% accessible).

Yihong Ding

Nova,

I am currently writing a new series at my blog about "The Path towards Next Generation." Unintentionally, however, I find it actually supplements to your post as well as Tim's post about Web 3.0.

I completely agree with you that Web 2.0 was a renaissance. It was a mind shift from a web to which people are attracted to a Web on which people are staying.

I also agree with you that Web 2.0 is beyond a sole back-end innovation. In fact, I want to point out that there are two typical presentations of Web 2.0. On the frond-end, Web 2.0 is a Read/Write Web; and on the back-end, Web 2.0 is a web of platform. The frond-end innovations on Web 2.0 is at least as important as the back-end innovations.

Moreover, there will be a Web 3.0, though it might not necessarily be named as "Web 3.0". The Semantic Web is future; but Semantic Web may not be equivalent to this, whatever may be called, next Web 3.0. What Radar Networks does at present, I believe, is part of the movement to this next generation.

Great post! Discussion always improves our knowledge.

-- Yihong

Tim O'Reilly

Nova --

Apologies for the misattribution. I thought John Markoff told me that it was you who'd originally suggested the term. On querying him, he says it was actually Dan Gillmor (not the folks you mentioned.)

As to your idea that there's a revolution coming in back-end processing of meaningful information, much of it represented by semantic web technologies, you may be right. And I hope that there will be breakthroughs there. But I'll note two things:

1. The most advanced web 2.0 properties are actually NOT just using traditional databases. Look at Google's BigTable and MapReduce. They developed technologies for dealing with massive amounts of data that have in many ways gone in a very different direction than the Semweb.

2. Improvements in the back end don't seem sufficient, in and of themselves, to constitute a real revolution. Think Clayton Christenson. Web 2.0 is not a new technology. It's the rise of the Web and its potential to centrality in the computer industry. It's a platform shift.

Web 3.0 (though I doubt it will be called that) will also be a platform shift, not just an incremental improvement to the web.

That's why I think it has much more to do with sensors (cell phone, camera, GPS, and special purpose sensors) and the rise of a kind of ambient computing.

This isn't to say that I don't think the stuff you're doing at Radar Networks doesn't look amazing. As you know, I'm very eager to try it! And I'm equally fascinated by other startups like Metaweb's freebase, that are playing with putting semweb approaches to work at a large scale. You're doing great work.

Apologies again for the implied criticism in what I thought was the origin of the Web 3.0 term.

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