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October 09, 2003


Jason Hoobler

I agree with the first comment, but I think it's logically stuck in phrasing.. doubt it's a "non-affirming negation", but rather an "affirming non-negation"; the point here is to understand the inherent limits by which reality is present to us, and we do this by experiencing the flow of dualities (subject-object, etc.) as an outcome of "hidden factor" frameworks which exist outside the ability of dual expression since they participate in the creation of both sides -- a unitary view which is a logical artifact of the framework's quality of incoherence with respect to a complete summation of reality.


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Nova Spivack

Darren your point is well taken. In fact, in Buddhist philosophy at least, one would actually conclude that whatever is posited by the mind is just a conceptual fabrication. My assertion that "something deeper than duality must exist in order to bind the poles of the duality together" should not be taken to imply that the non-dualistic fundamental reality "truly exists" but rather that it "logically and conceptually must exist" as you point out. Therefore you could say that the deeper non-duality that I am positing is also just a projection of the mind and is no more fundamental than the dualistic level of reality I am refuting. Or alternatively, you could conclude that perhaps the universe is irrational, or at least not bound by logical necessity, and that therefore there is no reason why a duality cannot persist without an underlying duality to bind its poles together. In the first case, it would be correct to refute my assertion of an underlying reality as no more fundamental than the dualistic level in that it amounted to an "affirming negation" (a negation that affirms something in the place of what is being negated). In fact, a more precise and correct way to state my position might be in the form of a non-affirming negation -- a refutation of the duality without an affirmation of anything existing beneath it. On the other hand, that is really more of a semantic distinction because the non-affirming negation approach does not result in a mere nothingness, but rather it results in the realization of "emptiness" which is not existent nor is it non-existent. That emptiness -- whether you affirm it or not -- is what I am pointing out to be the deeper underlying reality that binds duality together. Now, regarding the second option which is to abandon logic altogether on the grounds that it is merely a conceptual process -- If you hold that position then I can use your same argument to question the basis of your own argument -- isn't your argument simply a logical construct based on a logical process of your conceptual mind? Thus if you hold such a position you are actually refuting your own holding to that position and therefore that logical position leads to a self-contradiction. If you posit that "absurdity" or "nihilism" are valid philosophical positions to hold, you must realize that to hold such positions is just another act of clinging to a belief yet those positions, if you hold them sincerely, destroy any basis for clinging to any belief, and therefore if you hold such positions you are actually contradicting the meaning of those philosophical positions. In other words, if you don't support logic as a valid way of understanding reality, then your very act of not supporting logic as a valid way of understanding reality must ultimately be abandoned by you because to assert that position you are actually using logic.


When you speak about the unfathomable layer that exists as a foundation of the assumed dualistic reality:

"One way to establish this is to simply point out that if we assume that the world is divided dualistically into inside and outside, self and other, etc. then it actually leads to the conclusion that there must be a deeper level of reality that is non-dualistic -- After all, what is the underlying reality that connects the so-called inside and outside, self and other? There has to be something deeper than those divisions in which they occur together -- there has to be a deeper level of reality that connects these different partitions of reality together into one "whole" reality."

"The problem is that reality in-itself isn't really structured dualistically -- all such divisions into internal and external are merely conceptual reference frames that we project onto it"

When you say that there "has" to exist something that underlies the dualistic reality, isn't the "something that has to exist" also a fabrication of our conceptual mind? In that, logically speaking it is logically correct for the human mind to assume that in order for the dualism to exist, there has to be something deeper and underlying it?

Or do I misunderstand you?

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